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Dub2131 (talk|edits) said:

28 August 2008
A client is buying commercial rental real estate and against my repeated advice is insistent that creating a new C-Corp to hold the property is the way to go (I advised SMLLC). What's my defense when the client shows up at my office with a bazooka in a few years when the other shoe drops?

Seriously, can ANYONE think of a reason why a C-Corp holding the property is a good idea? I can't. I've tried every argument I can think of to dissuade him from doing it.

Bbowers (talk|edits) said:

28 August 2008
Make some good notes in your file & maybe even put your reasoning in writing & mail it to the client, but then more importantly learn how to duck when he shows up with the bazooka!

Mvtax (talk|edits) said:

28 August 2008
Nope.

Make the cleint short memo on your reason and document reciept for the future. If the property appreciates a lot and then he sales, huge taxes.

Belle (talk|edits) said:

August 28, 2008
I'd make the client sign the 'reasoning/this is the wrong thing to do' letter in front of me, then give them a copy. Mailing leaves open 'but I never got it' at bazooka time

Taxea (talk|edits) said:

28 August 2008
If the client went ahead after my explaining all that you have to him I would fired him as a client. If he does not respect my experience enough to listen I would not want to do his return. taxea

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

28 August 2008
The client has been to the library or bookstore, I suspect. There's a book by a lady CPA that's fairly recent (since 2000), and she actually advises the C Corp to hold the rental real estate. If I can put my hands on the book, I'll come back and amend. I read it, but I can't remember all the details. One thing I do remember, the book was not that old, and it had already suffered some heavy reading, in fact it was practically falling apart it had been read so much. She's got a website too.

Now, I could understand having a C Corp. managment co. for the fringe benefits, but as far as actually holding the property, no. But she does advise this, and refers to us types as amatuers. I'm serious.

Dub2131 (talk|edits) said:

29 August 2008
On a lark I found this link: [1]

If nothing else, it is...interesting. JR1 in particular will want to start drafting fan mail, methinks.

Bushmaster (talk|edits) said:

29 August 2008
Crow, you should learn to respect the more knowledgeable opinions presented by the outside experts.


After all, this lady CPA you refer to has written a book and has a website.  :)

Tfortaxes@msn.com (talk|edits) said:

29 August 2008
I get a big kick out of telling smart guys, "I told you so! By the way, I will have to bill you by the hour to fix this! Thanks for not listening. You just paid for my trip to Venice!".

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

August 29, 2008
Well Dub, I find it interesting that he blames accountants for making the whole issue confusing . . . as if we're the ones who make the laws. In any case, I think it's also a bit scary that people such as he are calling themselves "experts."

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

August 29, 2008
Well, just found this, and I guess it's time for a field trip. Preparing ammo, where do I show up?

You might mention that this is grounds for malpractice by attorneys and accountants it's such a serious error. And then just illustrate for the client. Or if you have excess paper, print the horror stories on the board here.

Belle (talk|edits) said:

August 29, 2008
DON'T give him this website tho....I have visions of BeatleFred and all those arguments.

Smokeytax (talk|edits) said:

30 August 2008
Dub2131 - that link is amazing! I love the part about their having found "some information about double taxation".

I weigh in with the others who say that being even remotely associated with the formation of a C corporation that owns real estate is accounting malpractice and you need to resign from the engagement, which of course is unfortunate if the revenue to you is significant.

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